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Post  JweezyIII on Fri 17 Apr - 15:58

Capitalism is not an effective system neither is socialism the only effective political model is somewhere in between. Stalin was not a communist he was a fascist.
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Post  sailorseal on Fri 17 Apr - 16:09

JweezyIII wrote:Capitalism is not an effective system neither is socialism the only effective political model is somewhere in between. Stalin was not a communist he was a fascist.
Fascist is the worst
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Post  DeficitHawk on Fri 17 Apr - 16:47

TurboNinja wrote:Err... that's socialism, in case you didn't know. It's one step away from Stalinist Russia.

Also, the Bible proves that God exists. Assertion to the contrary will be punished at the final reckoning.
The Bible is nonsense. Socialism is an economic system where the government owns and evenly distributes everything. Translation: The bailout is a huge, useless, corporate giveaway but not socialism.

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Post  sailorseal on Fri 17 Apr - 16:52

DeficitHawk wrote:
TurboNinja wrote:Err... that's socialism, in case you didn't know. It's one step away from Stalinist Russia.

Also, the Bible proves that God exists. Assertion to the contrary will be punished at the final reckoning.
The Bible is nonsense. Socialism is an economic system where the government owns and evenly distributes everything. Translation: The bailout is a huge, useless, corporate giveaway but not socialism.
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Post  southcarolinaboy on Sat 18 Apr - 7:09

improvisation223 wrote:
sailorseal wrote:YES WE CAN!
he just made a slip. He is dealing with a lot of issues and if he succeeds in dealing with most of them he will definitely get a 2nd term.



Not always true. Look at the presidents in the past that ran for a second term, and didn't get it.


No president is ever promised a second term. they must prove themselves to get it.

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Post  JweezyIII on Sat 18 Apr - 8:10

the bail out is a form a of socialism it would not be allowed in a true capitalist society but true capitalism is stupid.
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Post  sailorseal on Sat 18 Apr - 9:46

JweezyIII wrote:the bail out is a form a of socialism it would not be allowed in a true capitalist society but true capitalism is stupid.
So that makes what we have good Very Happy
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Post  DeficitHawk on Sat 18 Apr - 12:57

JweezyIII wrote:the bail out is a form a of socialism it would not be allowed in a true capitalist society but true capitalism is stupid.
Sometimes elements of socialism are necessary in a capitalist society.

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Post  sailorseal on Sat 18 Apr - 12:58

DeficitHawk wrote:
JweezyIII wrote:the bail out is a form a of socialism it would not be allowed in a true capitalist society but true capitalism is stupid.
Sometimes elements of socialism are necessary in a capitalist society.
The grey area in between the extremes is often the best choice
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Post  JweezyIII on Sat 18 Apr - 22:18

everyone say socialism is evil but we need elements of it to support the under privledges.
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Post  sailorseal on Sun 19 Apr - 7:39

JweezyIII wrote:everyone say socialism is evil but we need elements of it to support the under privledges.
Totally
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Post  TurboNinja on Mon 20 Apr - 12:41

JweezyIII wrote:everyone say socialism is evil but we need elements of it to support the under privledges.
Oh what, all of the lazy people who didn't bother to work hard in school, or who can't be fucked to get jobs?

Yeah right, we should totally support them and make sure that they get to buy all of the flat-screen TVs and flash-cars that all the rest of us had to work for.

Fuck them. If they want money, then they can go out and work for it. Not just demand that everybody else owes them a living simply because they exist.

That's what America is all about. If you want something, you go out and work for it. If you don't, then you sit on your behind. It's not about taking money off of those who work and giving it to the lazy... that's communist bullshit and we don't need it here.

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Post  JweezyIII on Mon 20 Apr - 14:10

u really think everyone has equal opertunity in most case it is not poor peoples fault that they are poor.
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Post  TurboNinja on Mon 20 Apr - 14:13

Anybody in America who goes to school, then works hard, can do well. Also, why should people who have worked hard and done well have to pay for everybody else's mistakes? Why bother to go to work at all if you know that you can just get paid for sitting at home all day?

This country wasn't built in handouts. It was built on a day's pay for a day's work. Liberals would do well to remember that.

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Post  sailorseal on Mon 20 Apr - 14:36

TurboNinja wrote:Anybody in America who goes to school, then works hard, can do well. Also, why should people who have worked hard and done well have to pay for everybody else's mistakes? Why bother to go to work at all if you know that you can just get paid for sitting at home all day?

This country wasn't built in handouts. It was built on a day's pay for a day's work. Liberals would do well to remember that.
Actually the hand outs are a conservative idea, tax cuts and so on are the liberal side
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Post  TurboNinja on Mon 20 Apr - 14:40

You have that the wrong way round.

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Post  sailorseal on Mon 20 Apr - 14:52

TurboNinja wrote:You have that the wrong way round.
Same to you Very Happy
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Post  DeficitHawk on Mon 20 Apr - 16:40

TurboNinja wrote:
JweezyIII wrote:everyone say socialism is evil but we need elements of it to support the under privledges.
Oh what, all of the lazy people who didn't bother to work hard in school, or who can't be fucked to get jobs?

Yeah right, we should totally support them and make sure that they get to buy all of the flat-screen TVs and flash-cars that all the rest of us had to work for.

Fuck them. If they want money, then they can go out and work for it. Not just demand that everybody else owes them a living simply because they exist.

That's what America is all about. If you want something, you go out and work for it. If you don't, then you sit on your behind. It's not about taking money off of those who work and giving it to the lazy... that's communist bullshit and we don't need it here.
Or maybe they couldn't afford school? Maybe they can't find a job? And don't spout nonsense about them using welfare to get flatscreen TVs and flashy cars. Some people can't work. They are either physically incapable, mentally incapable, can't find work, have to spend all their time trying to survive, or something else. America is about prosperity for everybody. That means giving enough to the poor for them to get a job, then let them take care of themselves from then on. They're not demanding anything. They just want so help. That's not a crime. Also, your attitude is what got us into this current financial crisis: Selfishness and contempt for the middle and lower class.

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Post  TurboNinja on Tue 21 Apr - 1:59

DeficitHawk wrote:Or maybe they couldn't afford school?
State schools ftw.

DeficitHawk wrote:Maybe they can't find a job?
Then they should look harder. Or just accept that they didn't work hard enough in school to get the big swinging dick megalawyer job that they dream of, and that they'll have to settle for something a little bit more on their level. That or they should just start their own business, which is an option open to everyone (unless socialism gets involved).

DeficitHawk wrote:Some people can't work.
Ridiculous. Even people in wheelchairs can work in telesales.

DeficitHawk wrote:America is about prosperity for everybody.
No, it's about prosperity for everybody who gets out of bed and works for it. Not about taking from the hard-working to provide prosperity for the lazy.

How can you say that you want prosperity for all when you're saying that we ought to steal half of anybody who work's money? Your argument makes no sense.

DeficitHawk wrote:They're not demanding anything.
Except for money that they haven't earned or worked for.

DeficitHawk wrote:your attitude is what got us into this current financial crisis
No your attitude is what got us into it: Blatant disregard for simple economics, giving vast amounts of money to people who haven't earned it, and thinking that everybody in America has a right to own a flat-screen (which somebody else ought to pay for). That kind of thinking encouraged massive debt, which is why we're here.

If people just did a hard days work for a single days pay, and learned to make their own way in this world without begging favours off of everybody else, then we wouldn't be stuck in a recession right now.

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Post  nigaplz on Tue 21 Apr - 6:59

WHO THE <Mod Edit> DOESN"T LIKE A <Mod Edit>ing BLACKKKKK PRESIDENT

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Post  n/a on Wed 22 Apr - 17:51

sailorseal wrote:
TurboNinja wrote:You have that the wrong way round.
Same to you Very Happy
He was right. But it isn't handouts, it is taxing rich to provide programs for the lower classes. Like public schools. In my area we have great public schools which provide fair opputunities. In my area, we are building a new high school, and the workers there make $69.50 an hour as required by law with only a highschool degree and 4 years of apprentaceship durring which they still make almost full wages. That is a lot of money and after a while as you start to make even more you can gradualy go from lower working class to middle class so your kids grow up much better than you did. An upper middle class people like me (or my parents, really) are fin getting taxed a lot in order to provide that oppurtunity.
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Post  sailorseal on Wed 22 Apr - 18:06

Captainwalrus wrote:
sailorseal wrote:
TurboNinja wrote:You have that the wrong way round.
Same to you Very Happy
He was right. But it isn't handouts, it is taxing rich to provide programs for the lower classes. Like public schools. In my area we have great public schools which provide fair opputunities. In my area, we are building a new high school, and the workers there make $69.50 an hour as required by law with only a highschool degree and 4 years of apprentaceship durring which they still make almost full wages. That is a lot of money and after a while as you start to make even more you can gradualy go from lower working class to middle class so your kids grow up much better than you did. An upper middle class people like me (or my parents, really) are fin getting taxed a lot in order to provide that oppurtunity.
My parents are pissed that he is raising their taxes but they understand and like him
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Post  TurboNinja on Thu 23 Apr - 2:08

Then they are just socialist puppets to his quasi-communist dictatorship.

Tell them to wake up and stop being sheeple.

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Post  DeficitHawk on Fri 24 Apr - 17:51

TurboNinja wrote:Then they are just socialist puppets to his quasi-communist dictatorship.

Tell them to wake up and stop being sheeple.
Do you even know what socialism is? It is a system in which the government owns EVERYTHING and distributes it amongst the citizens. As for a dictatorship, he has done very little characteristic of a dictator; nothing more than what every president has done.

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Post  TurboNinja on Sat 25 Apr - 4:40

DeficitHawk wrote:Do you even know what socialism is?
Yes.

Do you?

DeficitHawk wrote:It is a system in which the government owns EVERYTHING and distributes it amongst the citizens.
Just like Obamanation is trying to do with his 'bailouts' and his 'stimulus'.

You say that you know what socialism is, but it's happening all around you and you can't even see it.

DeficitHawk wrote:As for a dictatorship, he has done very little characteristic of a dictator; nothing more than what every president has done.
He has been more socialist than every other president ever. You are making no sense.

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